Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, osxmatt said: I think approval ratings have largely become irrelevant, a dying grasp from the old political guard. They could very well be irrelevant, but at this point it's a data point to give a general sense of society's overall mood. We're going to have quite a bit of actual electoral evidence from the world over in the next several months to year to determine whether it remains a generally reliable indicator of election outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 I think this election is extremely high variance because of how utterly without precedent it is. Biden is not well liked and is old as hell, but Trump is basically equally as disliked and very nearly as old as hell, and oh by the way is about to be sentenced in a civil suit that did not seem to go well for him and awaiting multiple felony criminal trials. I think enthusiasm is going to be way lower than 2020 and polls could be very noisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Speaking of the "old political guard", the annual World Economic Forum gathering at Davos, Switzerland is currently happening with all the "relevance" that still has in this day and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reputator Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 7 minutes ago, osxmatt said: I think approval ratings have largely become irrelevant, a dying grasp from the old political guard. It could be, or that could be copium. But the warnings issued against Trump in 2020 that no President with approval ratings that low has ever won re-election still haunt me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 9 minutes ago, Ricofoley said: I think this election is extremely high variance because of how utterly without precedent it is. Biden is not well liked and is old as hell, but Trump is basically equally as disliked and very nearly as old as hell, and oh by the way is about to be sentenced in a civil suit that did not seem to go well for him and awaiting multiple felony criminal trials. I think enthusiasm is going to be way lower than 2020 and polls could be very noisy. I don't disagree that polling at this stage is all over the place when it comes to the cross-tabs or that there's a helluva lot of noise in the data. But a trend is a trend -- no matter how imperfect or flawed it may very well be -- and that trend isn't in Biden's direction thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads WWW.THREADS.NET Nikki Haley: "We've never been a racist country" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Trump v Biden: I vote for Biden Haley v Biden: I vote for Haley (or a compelling 3rd party candidate) Even if you're conservative you shouldn't vote for anybody who ever worked for Trump or had anything positive to say about him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 22 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Even if you're conservative you shouldn't vote for anybody who ever worked for Trump or had anything positive to say about him. Also any GOP president is going to rubber stamp a GOP congress...so that means you are supporting all of their crazy shit, including the willingness to move towards fascism, etc. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: My best advice at this early stage is to at least start preparing psychologically and emotionally for Trump 2.0 to soften the blow if/when it does happen just a little bit. Note: you'd be in good company as diplomats from several European and other countries have been meeting with Trump campaign staff in expectation of the event. I should start working out now. Maybe when next year when the roundups begin, I can pass as an Übermensch and be left alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I don't think that any of the candidates will be VP. It's probably going to be a GOP governor. My money is on Noem suddenly doing a Fox News spot with bleach blond hair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads WWW.THREADS.NET Nikki Haley: "We've never been a racist country" Then why doesn’t she use her birth name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Yup Nikki, racism doesn’t exist. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Yeah, I mean, what does it even mean? I’m not the worlds biggest Biden fan, and I don’t really approve of a lot of things about him, but I would still crawl over a mile of broken glass to vote for him over Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I think we’re overthinking this election. The general election polling hinges on Biden’s popularity. I haven’t seen anything showing Trump has gained ground since 16/20. If Biden is more popular, he’s in better shape. If it’s sub 40 in November, it might be a long night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 For me it all comes down to what their sons are packing. I know Hunter has a rod I can trust. Congress needs to do its fucking job and declassify Don Jr and Eric’s equipment so we can make a proper voting decision. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Nikki Haley under pressure from donors to defeat Donald Trump in New Hampshire after Iowa caucus loss WWW.CNBC.COM Nikki Haley is under pressure from some of her wealthiest donors to beat Donald Trump in the New Hampshire primary, or risk losing their support. Quote "She needs to win or a very, very close second place," said a lobbyist who is raising money for Haley. To keep many of her more affluent donors engaged, Haley must get within three percentage points of Trump in New Hampshire, said a Republican fundraising advisor whose clients include Haley donors. If she does not, these donors could turn away from Haley and try to find other ways to stop Trump, including possibly by financing a third-party effort like No Labels, said the advisor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBladeRoden Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 hours ago, Reputator said: Biden isn't going to have an easy time either way with the way his approval numbers keep dropping. He's lower at this point than any President in the last 70+ years. How Popular Is Joe Biden? | FiveThirtyEight PROJECTS.FIVETHIRTYEIGHT.COM Latest polls on President Joe Biden’s approval ratings Is everyone still mad about egg prices, or is it Palestine now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, Massdriver said: Nikki Haley under pressure from donors to defeat Donald Trump in New Hampshire after Iowa caucus loss WWW.CNBC.COM Nikki Haley is under pressure from some of her wealthiest donors to beat Donald Trump in the New Hampshire primary, or risk losing their support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Conservatives are terrible people, more news at ten. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/15/2024 at 11:05 PM, Massdriver said: Perhaps it would be easier for Biden to beat Trump if you believe the polls. But Trump winning the GOP primary is bad for the nation as he then controls one of the major parties in American politics and the narrative continues. A primary upset would change the dynamics within the party, hopefully having more positive long-term effects. Bottom line is Trump winning the primary is bad for the nation and sets us up for round 2. It’s worth thinking carefully about your position if you’re celebrating a victory with Trump because you speculate it may be easier for Biden to win. That’s a dangerous game to play. This. More important than trying to somehow ensure no Republican ever gets elected again is ensuring that one of the two major political parties in the country—one that even when in the minority will have outsized say in shaping policy due to rampant gerrymandering and the electoral college’s rural tilt—abandons the cult of Trump. If the short-run cost is a slightly more competitive rival for Biden, it’s well worth it. Because even if (like me) you’re on the left hoping for some sort of ‘permanent political majority’, you still need some semblance of political sanity for it to accomplish anything. And the longer the Trump cult persists, the more of that we lose. But, as we’re seeing, the Republican base is pretty much still in ‘Cultural Revolution’ mode, and Trump is still very much their Mao. (One big reason why his prosecutions have mostly helped him) And like I posted not too long ago, it’s not even clear anymore that Trump consistently losing elections will break the spell, due to the zombie persistence of ‘The Big Lie’. I hope I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 5 hours ago, Spork3245 said: He’s already been found guilty (well, liable since it’s a civil case). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 7 hours ago, Spork3245 said: This is what you'd vote for over Biden, @mclumber1? c'mon maaaannn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 LOL, the Ron Desantis campaign spent $4,200 for each vote in Iowa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 7 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: This is what you'd vote for over Biden, @mclumber1? c'mon maaaannn Not a fan of Biden. Sorry. I'll vote for him (again) if he faces Trump, but he's not my type of candidate. I guess Haley isn't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 43 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Not a fan of Biden. Sorry. I'll vote for him (again) if he faces Trump, but he's not my type of candidate. I guess Haley isn't either. Well Biden fandom wasn’t the point. It was that your preferred candidate worked for the Cheeto, praised the Cheeto, won’t denounce the Cheeto, and supposedly can’t be bothered to pay attention to things about the Cheeto that will greatly influence the effectiveness of her campaign. Probably the main thing. These should all be deal breakers for her as they would be for Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 which thread is the shit on trump thread rn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, Bacon said: which thread is the shit on trump thread rn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 All the Republican candidates offer the same kind of Trumpian fascism, just with a slightly more polite veneer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 No Labels: We’d consider Haley on our ticket. Haley: No thanks. - POLITICO WWW.POLITICO.COM The group wants the the former U.N. Ambassador to succeed, whether in the primary or outside of it. Quote “Nikki has no interest in No Labels, she’s happy with the Republican label,” Haley spokesperson Olivia Perez-Cubas said in a text message. But it’s clear that No Labels views Haley positively, whether on their ticket or as the GOP standard-bearer. Two people familiar with the group’s thinking, who were granted anonymity to speak candidly, said that No Labels would prefer that Haley win the GOP nomination since she’s a mainstream Republican. If Haley won the nomination, the group would likely not run a No Labels ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Trump, Haley tied in New Hampshire poll THEHILL.COM GOP rivals former President Trump and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley are tied in New Hampshire, new polling shows, as the primary race heads into the Granite State. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 17 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Trump, Haley tied in New Hampshire poll THEHILL.COM GOP rivals former President Trump and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley are tied in New Hampshire, new polling shows, as the primary race heads into the Granite State. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 She was trailing by double digits in a poll released yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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