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AMD RYZEN Launch Day Review Round-Up

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-Review-Now-and-Zen

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951.html

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8072/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu-review-intel-battle-ready/index.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-processor-review,1.html

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/245204-amds-ryzen-7-1800x-reviewed-zen-amazing-workstation-chip-1080p-gaming-achilles-heel

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/amd-ryzen-review/

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_1800x_cpu_review/1

http://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-1700-benchmarks-and-review

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/03/02/amd-ryzen-1800x-and-am4-platform-review/1

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/102964-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-14nm-zen/

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2822-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/74814-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-performance-review.html

http://techreport.com/review/31366/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-ryzen-7-1700x-and-ryzen-7-1700-cpus-reviewed

http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/

http://www.digitaltrends.com/processor-reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-review/

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-processor-review_191753

http://www.trustedreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-review

 

UPDATED 3/8/17: A few more reviews added.

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General consensus: Performance in everything but gaming is fantastic. Gaming performance though is pretty disappointing.

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2 minutes ago, Reputator said:

General consensus: Performance in everything but gaming is fantastic. Gaming performance though is pretty disappointing.

 

This is disappointing if it holds up (if they can't fix anything in firmware).

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I would expect some tweaks in the coming weeks that will cover some of that gap in performance. 

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Gaming is still better than any CPU in it's price range(in most cases),   and since all of the extra horsepower I need is for non gaming things it excels out, I'm sold.

Not sure why everyone keeps using 5 year old games to benchmark.

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13 minutes ago, misfit410 said:

Gaming is still better than any CPU in it's price range,   and since all of the extra horsepower I need is for non gaming things it excels out, I'm sold.

 

Well, no. Many reviewers are noting that gaming performance is near the i5 7600k in a lot of games. The 7700k is still king there if gaming is all a person cares about.

 

One reviewer made a valid point that many multi-media benchmarks are somewhat moot as well when taking into account GPU acceleration.

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Is there any good reason to believe that AMD can fix gaming performance with a firmware update? That sounds like wishful thinking.

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2 minutes ago, Reputator said:

 

Well, no. Many reviewers are noting that gaming performance is near the i5 7600k in a lot of games. The 7700k is still king there if gaming is all a person cares about.

 

One reviewer made a valid point that many multi-media benchmarks are somewhat moot as well when taking into account GPU acceleration.

 

Quality of CPU rendering is always better for 3D animation and Video, those blender cycles scores are unreal, and my biggest draw.

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27 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

Is there any good reason to believe that AMD can fix gaming performance with a firmware update? That sounds like wishful thinking.

http://wccftech.com/ryzen-gaming-benchmarks-roundup/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Could prove to be the same here, but the benchmarks in the link I posted seem to suggest a 20% performance bump over default. 

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2 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

Could prove to be the same here, but the benchmarks in the link I posted seem to suggest a 20% performance bump over default. 

The results do not make any sense on Ashes. It should be closer to the 6900K.

 

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Just now, Massdriver said:

The results do not make any sense on Ashes. It should be closer to the 6900K.

 

Agreed! Something is not quite right here. 

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Just now, Mr.Vic20 said:

Agreed! Something is not quite right here. 

What's funny is I actually play Ashes ranked 1 v 1 regularly. Most people just see it as a benchmark, but I like the game!

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I'll admit my shame in having bought it first because it was the first DX12 game... :)

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6 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said:

I'll admit my shame in having bought it first because it was the first DX12 game... :)

The expansion improved the multiplayer quite a bit.

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I really should give it another shot! The deal is that I play most of my PC games via controller because I'm setup in my living room and have neglected a quality lap desk/Mouse/KB setup! Perhaps its time... 

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So... given that I am primarily going to use this PC for gaming and not much else (no streaming, etc... and I've moved all my labbing to AWS EC2) should I cancel my 1700X pre-order and go 7700k? 

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It's a shame that it does so poorly on the kind of stuff that I actually want to use my PC for. I'd love to see games take better advantage of every core and thread available, but I suspect that games that do will remain the exception rather than the rule. The other big performance question I have is with photo editing, and I don't trust that Adobe will optimize their stuff anytime soon.

 

 

I'd be interested in how it does in virtualized environments (I didn't go through all the reviews, so if one does cover that, let me know). I feel like it would do well, which might help them in the server market.

 

Even if it doesn't do anything for me now, I'm glad that Ryzen is giving Intel some real competition, at least on some fronts.

 

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To me, what a lot of this says is, for gaming, maybe hold off and get the 1600x (which is likely what I'll do). Its half the price of the 1800x, same clock speeds, minus two cores. So gaming performance should be right up there, with the possibility of more overclocking headroom.

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1 hour ago, Dexterryu said:

So... given that I am primarily going to use this PC for gaming and not much else (no streaming, etc... and I've moved all my labbing to AWS EC2) should I cancel my 1700X pre-order and go 7700k? 

Tough call...  Probably?  If it were me, I would probably wait to see how this all pans out over the next few months...

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Disabling SMT can often result in only a marginal improvement. There's really no precedent in a firmware update making a dramatic change in performance. Don't pin your hopes on that, this isn't a graphics card.

 

I hesitate to recommend a 7700k because it's still way too much for a quad-core. Games will and are already starting to use more than that, and you shouldn't build a PC strictly for what you need right this moment.

 

But damn. There aren't a lot of better options.

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So I ended up canceling my 1700X kit. I'm fortunate enough to live near a Microcenter and they had the 7700K for $299 and you get an additional $30 off if you buy it with a motherboard. So ultimately this cost me about $140 less than what the 1700X setup would have.

 

I'm sort of bummed out in a way. I really wanted to support AMD here but I couldn't justify paying more for (at least what I will use it for) lower performance.

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Winner in my book.  Gaming is secondary for my needs and it's not like it's terrible anyway..

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Buggy launch UEFI's and were going to blame AMD?

 

It's pretty obvious that's what's going on here. Look at the review from Joker, who actually benchmarked with the latest BIOS revision and fast RAM. 

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6 hours ago, Massdriver said:

 

Talk about scheduling in Windows reminds me of the original Bulldozer release. They said a Windows patch would improve performance. It did by 1-2%. It was a complete joke.

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Looks like SMT isn't working properly with games.

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21 minutes ago, NextGen said:

Buggy launch UEFI's and were going to blame AMD?

 

It's pretty obvious that's what's going on here. Look at the review from Joker, who actually benchmarked with the latest BIOS revision and fast RAM. 

Link Joker's review (why does that not sound credible?). 

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