Update: Houston authorities have opened a criminal investigation into the Astroworld Festival crowd surge

[Guest]

8 dead, hundreds hurt as Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival turns into mass casualty incident Friday night | abc13.com

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Eight people died and hundreds were injured at Travis Scott's Astroworld Festival. The event was canceled after the mass casualty incident.

Holy moly, absolutely awful situation. We were supposed to host an event for the festival on Monday but it seems likely the rest of the festival is completely cancelled.

[Kal-El814]

What the fuck

[Keyser_Soze]

4 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

Holy moly, absolutely awful situation. We were supposed to host an event for the festival on Monday but it seems likely the rest of the festival is completely cancelled.

 

I guess you won't be having him on your podcast now.

[SuperSpreader]

So they got trampled? wtf is a surge? It made me think it was wet and something electrical went off. 

[CayceG]

Essentially, what happens is that crowds in the back push forward and the people at the front get compressed. It sort of happens in waves, so there are "pulses" that act on the people up front who are hemmed in by some barrier or the stage itself. 

 

It happens more than you think:

List of human stampedes and crushes - Wikipedia

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[Keyser_Soze]

3 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said:

It made me think it was wet

 

Well it was a Drake concert

[Guest]

And there are several people in critical condition who may add to the death toll. Horrible stuff

[Uaarkson]

This is the #1 reason I don’t fuck with huge crowds.

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Apparently people had been getting trampled all day from when gates first opened all the way to the end

[Guest]

A lot of these stories

[Keyser_Soze]

16 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

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Apparently people had been getting trampled all day from when gates first opened all the way to the end

 

Even a couple of people wearing a mask in there!

[Guest]

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[The def star]

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

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The youth of America everyone. We are doomed as a society 

[Kal-El814]

1 hour ago, sblfilms said:

A lot of these stories

Mouth to mouth isn’t part of CPR anymore except for medical professionals. A medic having someone’s friend give mouth to mouth seems weird? Unless I’m wrong @CastlevaniaNut18?

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

Mouth to mouth isn’t part of CPR anymore except for medical professionals. A medic having someone’s friend give mouth to mouth seems weird? Unless I’m wrong @CastlevaniaNut18?

From what I recall, mouth to mouth doesn’t lead to better outcomes in many (most?) situations, but it would be difficult to know as a stranger whether the person fits to criteria in which mouth to mouth is beneficial. If you can only do one, chest compression is far more important.

 

But for me, the particulars of what the poster did is less an issue and the lack of preparation on the part of the event organizers is.

 

 

 

There is also a really creepy video of Scott pausing the show recognizing somebody was in distress and then starting back up as he watches the lifeless body of the person being carried over the crowd. 😬

[Kal-El814]

2 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

From what I recall, mouth to mouth doesn’t lead to better outcomes in many (most?) situations, but it would be difficult to know as a stranger whether the person fits to criteria in which mouth to mouth is beneficial. If you can only do one, chest compression is far more important.

 

But for me, the particulars of what the poster did is less an issue and the lack of preparation on the part of the event organizers is.

 

CPR is one of those things that's really interesting in that the medical community looks at outcomes and data often and tailors recommendations based on that data regularly. I believe the mouth to mouth bit has been scrapped because people were not super willing to do it, which caused delays in administering any intervention.

 

When I worked in hospitals something like 18 years ago and got trained on CPR for adults, children, and infants, the official recommendation at the time was to not call 911 / administer mouth to mouth or compressions to infants who have stopped breathing until they've been like that for 60 seconds since it's something that infants do on their own somewhat "regularly." They changed that guidance after getting the (somewhat obvious in hindsight) feedback that people aren't generally willing to just look at an infant that isn't breathing for a minute and not do anything.

[Guest]

That makes sense too, if people feel like CPR requires mouth to mouth and they don’t feel comfortable doing that they may do nothing at all. 

[Keyser_Soze]

The most important thing is the chest compressions but I think giving two breaths is also important.

[Brian]

A few years back, the company I work for got some employees trained on CPR. Mouth to mouth was still taught. The professionals provided everyone with a mouth apparatus that allows you to blow into the person’s mouth without have to make contact.  Sandlot did show how creepy Americans are. 
 

[Kal-El814]

1 minute ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

A few years back, the company I work for got some employees trained on CPR. Mouth to mouth was still taught. The professionals provided everyone with a mouth apparatus that allows you to blow into the person’s mouth without have to make contact.  Sandlot did show how creepy Americans are. 
 

 

I think the "no mouth to mouth" guidance is recent, maybe even this year or last year.

 

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Basically unless you've got medical training or recently did a CPR course, it's chest compressions only.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Fatalities are now up to 11.

[Amazatron]

Here’s how it started…

 

 

[Fizzzzle]

Even in the videos I've seen where it's not "that serious" of a stampede, you can still hear people screaming for help.

 

It sounds like a crew that had no idea what to do with crowd control or basic emergency response.

 

220000 people were at Woodstock 99, which is widely regarded as one of the biggest shit shows of the modern era, and only 3 people died. And that included people breaking down fences and setting fires.

 

This festival seems like an utter breakdown of every measure of crowd control and medical response

[CitizenVectron]

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

Scott is a piece of shit. In 2015 he told fans to ignore barricades:

 

 

[CitizenVectron]

 

[TheLeon]

35 minutes ago, Amazatron said:

Here’s how it started…

 

 

Love the "security" dude who shows up, hands his phone to someone, then just starts shoving people. What a shitshow. 

[mclumber1]

I didn't know who Travis Scott was, but his name isn't very rappish.  The name sounds like country or easy listening rock or something.

[Guest]

‘Our hearts are broken’: At least 8 dead, several others injured at Travis Scott’s Astroworld Festival at NRG Park, officials say

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At least eight people are dead and several others were injured Friday night at Travis Scott’s Astroworld Festival at NRG Park, authorities said.

 

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“There are a lot of narratives out there right now, on social media and even last night,” Finner said.

 

One such narrative circulating is of an individual injecting others with drugs. Finner said a security officer reported that he felt a prick in his neck while he was responding to the crowd surge. When he was examined, he fell unconscious. Paramedics reportedly administered Narcan, which revived the security officer, Finner said. Medical stiff did observe what appeared to be a needle prick on the man’s neck.

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11 minutes ago, mclumber1 said:

I didn't know who Travis Scott was, but his name isn't very rappish.  The name sounds like country or easy listening rock or something.

I thought he was one of The Property Brothers but they’re named Drew and Jonathan Scott

[CastlevaniaNut18]

6 hours ago, Kal-El814 said:

Mouth to mouth isn’t part of CPR anymore except for medical professionals. A medic having someone’s friend give mouth to mouth seems weird? Unless I’m wrong @CastlevaniaNut18?

Y'all pretty well covered it while I was sleeping. Compressions are the most essential piece.

[best3444]

What a disaster on so many levels. 11 dead.

[DarkStar189]

People disgust me. Lose their fucking minds over a couple singers. Most of them probably just wanted to hold their phones up and take "look at me" pictures... all while other people are getting crushed to death. 

[Keyser_Soze]

4 hours ago, mclumber1 said:

I didn't know who Travis Scott was, but his name isn't very rappish.  The name sounds like country or easy listening rock or something.

 

What if it was Travi$ Scott?

[Fizzzzle]

10 hours ago, sblfilms said:

‘Our hearts are broken’: At least 8 dead, several others injured at Travis Scott’s Astroworld Festival at NRG Park, officials say

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At least eight people are dead and several others were injured Friday night at Travis Scott’s Astroworld Festival at NRG Park, authorities said.

 

If there's one thing I know about drug users, it's that they generally don't like to give away drugs for pranks. Sounds like the "strangers are giving drugs to your kids" campfire tales that get spread around every halloween.