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Remember when Bernie wasn't a viable candidate because his polling was bad with minorities? Media seems to not give a shit about that with Pete.

Medicare for All bitches.

I don't understand, is it that hard to give me a source that shows the Bernie camp insisted on more caucuses? From what I read we have fewer caucuses than we had in 2016 after that Unity conference where more states that normally caucused changed to strictly regular vote. Shouldn't there be articles of disappointment in the Bernie camp for less caucuses if they were insisting on keeping them? You keep pushing this claim that Bernie's camp (and now Nina Turner specifically) pushed to keep caucuses but you don't provide me any sources of these claims. You want me to go on some treasure hunt to connect the dots on something you claim is easy to verify. You say read articles. OK show me the articles you're reading, point out to me & connect the dots that I'm clearly not able to do. but anyway this is a stupid argument because you don't/can't provide a source on the claim & all I can do is ask for one after finding nothing on the google machine.

I already told you I put in effort looking at articles to find this claim. I am not the one making the claim so I don't understand why I have to research this for you. I think if you're going to make the claim you should put in the effort to back it up & based on what you're saying that should be pretty easy to do. I personally have had no luck finding these articles where Bernie's camp pushing for caucuses so I'm just reaching out for help to find it from people that are claiming it's easily accessible because I personally can't find it.

So what you’re saying is you don’t have a source.

oh my

I did, I didn’t find anything on sanders team insisting on keeping caucuses. If it’s pretty well covered I’m sure you or Anathema can link to a source stating that the Bernie camp insisted on keeping caucuses.

source where Bernie's people insisted on keeping caucuses?

I'm going to need to borrow your tin foil hat so I can properly read this post.

"According to an entrance poll by the Washington Post, people aged 17 to 29 accounted for 24 percent of total Iowa Democratic caucus-goers in 2020. That’s up from 18 percent in 2016, and far exceeds the 12 percent of Republican attendees from that same age group from that same year. Combine that with the 21 percent of Democratic caucus-goers aged 30 to 44, and you’ll get a comprehensive view of both millennials and Generation Z, who comprise the largest bloc of potential voters that are becoming increasingly mobilized at the polls. In the 2018 midterm election, 36 percent of people aged 18 to 29 cast their ballots, a 16-percent increase from the 20 percent who voted in the 2014 midterm election." http://www.mtv.com/news/3155194/iowa-caucus-2020-young-voters/

Pretty sure all they wanted changed was the transparency on vote counts for the different rounds. Not sure what that has to do with the failure of the app that caused this whole mess.

Pete sure seems confident... https://www.twitter.com/mooncult/status/1224775771991859201

Warren's got the plans, Biden's got the...pamphlets?

I can't find it at the moment but Nate Silver had Sanders with a pretty big spike in winning if he won these first few states, something around 70% likely.

I'd love to see him in Bernie's administration and I bet he would be. I badly want to see what kind of team Bernie would put together. Can we please find out?

Biden is going to be serious cringe in the general. I legit can't tell if it's going to hurt his campaign or not though. My optimist side thinks Joe can sleepwalk & cringe his way to a victory where my pessimist side thinks Trump is going to run all over him while the media eats that shit up. This country might have to vote for someone who says marijuana makes you stupid and the other thinks it's a gateway drug. "Fuck that" says 48% of the country that doesn't vote...

He's said this so often you could probably make a decent campaign ad of Biden saying to vote for other people. Even his own wife has said there might be other people better on the issues than her husband. Jill Biden urges support for husband even if voters consider their candidates ‘better’ on the issues He's also not committing to backing Sanders, Wapo: Biden won’t commit to backing Sanders if he’s the nominee (edit #2: wow they edited the headline, I legit just copy/pasted the headline as the link. They changed it to "Biden won't say whether Sanders could unify Dems as nominee") edit: oh snap, http://boldiowa.com/biden-didnt-need-to-do-this-to-me/

I really think the Dem "establishment" donor class would rather have Trump get re-elected than have Sanders as President. I think they'd even be OK if Biden lost to Trump. That way their gravy train keeps on pouring & their way of life ticks on. Sanders would work to completely flush out all of the corporate-friendly influence at the DNC & kick the lobbyists/donor class to the curb. He'll be out there campaigning for an agenda he ran on and if you're a democrat or even a republican that's against it, he's going to show up to campaign for a primary challenger that support's him. I don't think we have fully realized how fierce Sander's is going to be with the movement he's building. This man is going to be a very vocal fighter & use that bully pulpit like it's fucking Thor's hammer. He's rallying people around popular ideas & telling them that their voice is bigger than they realize. The establishment/donor class doesn't want him to flip their world upside down & lose their political influence. I think the kids gloves will be coming off very soon, especially if he wins these upcoming states. I think it's about to get really ugly.

It's really not that special, polling before actual vote change 1988 D Paul Simon 16.7% 26.7% 10.0 1988 R Bob Dole 43.0 37.4 -5.6 1996 R Bob Dole 34.0 26.3 -7.7 2000 D Bill Bradley 30.6 36.6 6.0 2000 R George W. Bush 46.1 41.0 -5.1 2004 D John Edwards 11.0 32.6 21.6 2008 D Hillary Clinton 27.8 30.4 2.6 2008 R John McCain 6.1 13.1 7.0 2012 R Mitt Romney 19.5 24.5 5.0 2016 D Hillary Clinton 47.7 49.8 2.1 2016 R Marco Rubio https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-will-the-des-moines-registers-endorsement-help-warren-in-iowa/ Not to say this won't boost Warren, I just wouldn't be out there calling this "huge"

That's a good point, I didn't think to connect that together. We should also keep in mind that there are a LOT of undecided voters out there in these polls, ranging between 10-20% (and sometimes pushing 30% but it has tightened up a bit since). Those people will be swayed at these caucuses by whoever has the bigger group. 2016 got a little heated during these caucuses with supporters & I bet it's going to be even more elevated this time around. Should be fun...

Yes because it's a bunch of people hanging out in a gym trying to pull groups to their side. Then if you don't get a certain #of people in your group to meet the threshold you are forced to pick another group & the tug of war begins again. It's absolutely bonkers & comes down to who can turnout the most for their pep rally.

& we'd have Trump TV trying to out Fox Fox news while the media obsesses over the republicans attempting to impeach Clinton. That's my biggest concern right now with Biden winning the nomination. I fear that once he gets the nom, the media's attention will shift to Trump who will happily grab that megaphone & blast Biden's record as the media salivates over the drama, inadvertently bringing up how awful Biden is on the record & his thoughts on modern day issues. You suppress the turnout by getting people to not want to vote for Biden, killing enthusiasm & Trump wins again. Trump is very good at doing this & the media happily shoves camera's in front of his face over everything he or his empty podium says. With Bernie you get someone who gets to call out Trump's bullshit while also having a record to back it up. Trump can't win attacking him on social security & benefits, he can't attack him on trade, marijuana, iraq war & trying to end the wars, unions, being cozy with corporate lobbyists. Get ready for Hunter Biden/Ukraine becoming the new, "But her emails!" ...or remember when Trump invited Bill Clinton's sexual accusers to the debate? I bet he can't wait to invite the baby mamma of Hunter Biden's while he was dating his brother's widow...also when he'll blast Biden saying "give me a break" about millennial's struggling. Telling coal miners to learn to program. His position on marijuana & video games. His past support for segregationists. Or this getting blasted everywhere, Oh and Biden wants to call out Trump's support for social security cuts? Get ready for the media to put the camera on Trump going, "Freeze. Freeze. He wanted a freeze. He's lying. Lying liar. Sleepy Joe lying again. Obama wanted the cuts in 2011 & sleepy joe stood by him" and the media eats that shit up! They will happily give Trump a megaphone to trash Biden's record as they roll the tapes. That's all Trump needs to do to win, just constantly keep chipping away at the enthusiasm for Biden while the media happily gives him a megaphone for ratings. Goddamn, we're living in hell. (sorry, I just had to rant my frustrations about everything going on, This stuff does not personally sway me against voting for Biden in the general, I just know it's going to get used against him so hard; it's like doubling down on 2016 but injecting it with steroids)

I agree about the Biden VP pick but I would make the argument that Romney picked Ryan not because of the crazies but because the media portrayed him positively & as a "policy wonk". I think we can also assume that McCain picked Palin because he was told she'd pull in the angry women/PUMA's pissed at Hillary's loss. That actually kind of worked but it wasn't enough to matter. McCain/Palin ended up pulling in more Hillary voters than Trump pulling in Bernie voters. (btw, 13% of Trump voters voted for Obama in 2012...*crickets*) I definitely agree that it was a big mistake picking Kaine, talk about having absolutely zero benefit, the ultimate vanilla choice. I feel like if she wanted to be strategic she would have picked Bernie not because of his supporters/agenda but because she would have pulled him out of the Senate. He wouldn't have become a potential thorn on her side (he was making primary threats against Obama because of his social security cuts & extending bush tax cuts), it would have effectively neutered him with him as her VP. But with that said, I feel like if Hillary won then 2018 would have been a red wave, not a blue one. She was pretty unpopular, both her & Trump were running to be the least favorite/untrusted candidate in the history of polling Presidential candidates. I don't think she would have ushered in a blue wave in 2018.

Focus on the person running & the issues they're running on & stop caring so much about what people are fighting about on social media, it's just a bunch of noise & a waste of time.

Not sure what you mean. From your own link, had Bernie been the nominee Trump likely wouldn't have gotten these votes, Sanders -> Trump voters… WI: 51k MI: 47k PA: 116k Trump win margin… WI: 22k MI: 10k PA: 44k Meaning Sanders would have likely won these states Hillary lost.