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  1. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    I don't disagree with you there. Raven speeds is a pointless debate, and irrelevant thematically. LazyPiranha is a smart poster but when it comes to fiction he's notorious for nitpicking to the point of irrelevance - I've seen him do it on many, many shows throughout the years. He's often not even wrong, it's just like . . . it doesn't matter most of the time. It may be relevant to suspension of disbelief, but as you said, we are barreling towards the end game, so by default things like that will be glossed over. And I've mentioned repeatedly that I have enjoyed the Arya/Sansa stuff because its based in character and there were lovely moments there. Same for all the one on one conversations as the Suicide Squad headed north of the wall. But in other respects the show is failing in ways it hasn't like this before, to me. And ice dragons are always cool, so I'm looking forward to that.
  2. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    There's still a lot to enjoy about the show on pure epic spectacle and the like, what I meant by my comment was you and others seem to be dismissing all of our criticisms completely out of hand while we by comparison grant the show still does a lot well (i.e. the spectacle, etc.). I mention priorities changing because while I understand things have to pick up and move quickly as we reach the end game and have to wrap things up my (and others') arguments is that the writers aren't doing a good job of doing just that. I have no problem with moving quicker, etc. My problem is that, to my mind, it is being done poorly in large measure. I say this as a person who absolutely loved the last two episodes of season 6 as some of the best the show has EVER done. So, I don't think bias enters into this for me.
  3. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    I don't know what to say. I haven't mentioned a thing about teleporting or ravens. I think there's a lot to say that the show's priorities have changed. I know others feel the same way, some in this thread. Maybe we're all wrong, but people like TwinIon and CitizenVectron are smart, measured posters generally speaking, and I often respect what they have to say. The fact all three of us are in agreement means something's up, to me at least. You can choose not to agree, but I do think there is evidence to the contrary.
  4. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    I never said I agree with everything the article states, just that there is a lot of creedence to the argument that the show has dropped the ball this season in a number of ways (but not all ways). The lukewarm review of the episode on AV Club also indicates this. http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/game-changing-thrones-spectacle-buckles-under-pres-259689
  5. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    I'm not nitpicking anything - the show has clearly suffered in the character and tight plotting departments this season, to the point articles are being written about it, and I have much love for off-book stuff in the show when it's done right. http://collider.com/game-of-thrones-season-7-problems/ There are real issues with this season and I think people like myself, TwinIon, and CitizenVectron are speaking to those issues. I don't care about the messed up timeline or the teleporting - it's essentially irrelevant. What I care about are the stories and characters.
  6. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    No because those were bad things that happened, not heroic moments. Lannisters are bad, I didn't want them showing up. Sure, they saved Tyrion, a character I like, but I didn't welcome it. Same with Stannis. Same with Littlefinger and the Vale. There was and has been seriously negative fallout from those last minute "heroics" and they weren't played as heroic when I saw them. More importantly, I suppose, is those moments felt earned regardless. This didn't. I'm not saying the show hasn't done stuff similar to what I'm criticizing the show for doing now, but when it's done it before it's done it better and similar isn't same.
  7. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    REPOST from when I saw the leaked episode: I've still got plenty of problems with Danaerys, even after watching the leaked episode, but now my problems are more with the direction they are taking her character in and the writing rather than the character herself. She certainly was heroic and kind coming in with her dragons to save Jon and losing one of her children was definitely a blow to her that seems to have humbled her greatly (along with seeing the Army of the Dead) but MAAAAAAAN I am with CitizenVectron on the fact that the show has lost sight of one aspect of what made the first 4 seasons of the show (and the books) so good. 1. The entire north of the wall stuff goes in completely predictable directions. The whole time I'm telling my wife: all of Tormund's red shirts will die first, and then they'll kill Thoros of Myr because he's the least relevant to the plot going forward for the rest of the show, and he's the least developed of the characters in that group (Gendry too, but it'd be dumb to bring him back just to kill him off - and he's arguably more relevant to the plot of the show going forward). WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED. Then I was like: the wights running across the lake will make the ice break, delaying the wights killing the group, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED. And everyone knew that Danaerys and her dragons would come just in the knick of time to save everyone, and everyone was saved, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED. Even a dragon dying wasn't surprising since everyone here had been assuming Danaerys would lose one of her dragons, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED. The way it happened was totally unexpected, completely epic and mind-blowing, and that part I loved. Then doing a cliche "Jon Snow seemingly dies, doesn't actually die and gets back quickly to meet up with the group anyway" was a pointless waste of time and killing off (maybe?) Benjen Stark in some quick cliche slow montage wasn't earned in the least. Here's my problem: most of that simply isn't Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones doesn't trade in cliches. Typical heroics like someone coming in at the last second to save "the good guys" is cheesy and stupid. This isn't Lord of the Rings, which did it better anyway, this is MOTHERFUCKING Game of Thrones, which is realistic, where heroes aren't saved by other heroes at the last second, where main characters can be killed wantonly instead of the red shirts, where every big character moment is completely earned through build up, not Cold Hands just showing up and disappearing just as quickly after only 2-3 appearances on the entire show previously, and so on and so forth. 2. Which is why I found the Arya/Sansa stuff so much more interesting on a character level. That's Game of Thrones - sisters who are at odds with each other, fighting and arguing and learning about each other, stuff like that feels real and earned and harsh - like Game of Thrones is meant to be. Their interactions don't feel manufactured - Arya is brutal and ruthless and completely loyal to family even at the potential expense of other family members (she won't forgive Sansa for the letter regardless of it being made under duress, though Sansa failing to mention the cruelty and rape she suffered under Joffrey and Ramsay seems short-sighted). 3. So, Danaerys. She clearly isn't going the ruthless or "mad" queen route (unless the death of her child and seeing the army of the dead drives her to it) and while I find her becoming humbled and clear-sighted as a "good" ruler as certainly a logical way for the character to go, I find it, again, incredibly boring and expected, which isn't Game of Thrones' M.O. I like Danaerys more now, since she's losing her sense of entitlement (though Jon bending the knee is fucking LAME - why doesn't Danaerys bend the knee?) but I think it's a cliche direction for the character to go. Just doesn't feel like Game of Thrones. 4. Wights dying if you kill the white walker who raised them is also lame. That's a quick/easy fix to a VERY large problem. If you just single out the white walkers and kill them the army falls apart makes them MUCH less intimidating as a destructive force of nature. I grant that Martin could do the same in the books, but this easy "out" doesn't feel like Game of Thrones, so I'd be surprised if they went that route. 5. We all knew it was coming, but ice dragons be motherfucking awesome. 6. I loved all the one on one bromance talks with the crew in the North - it was awesome to finally see Jorah and Jon talk and Jorah and Thoros of Myr particularly. More of that please. I'm curious as to other peoples' thoughts on this, but while I loved parts of the episode, it just didn't have the feel of Game of Thrones with the parts I didn't like. And that's not to say I don't LOVE Game of Thrones when it goes off-book. The last two episodes of season 6 were some of the best the show has EVER produced, and D.B. Weiss and David Benioff are great writers - hell I've loved almost all of Benioff's script work previous to Game of Thrones. But this season has moved too fast (for the most part), leaving no time to breathe, and on top of that, it's teleporting everywhere (the timeline makes no sense at all, but I'll forgive it that) and most importantly of all it's taken all the most obvious routes to reach where it has for the most part. TL;DR The show's spectacle and dialogue and acting are all as great as ever, but the direction they are taking characters, the way they are tying up loose ends and cutting out secondary plots and characters, and the lack of tightness in the plotting make this episode and this season weaker than it really should be given we're heading into the end-game here.
  8. Defenders (marked spoilers)

    Other than that I'd rate the first 8 episodes of Luke Cage higher (I think a 7.5/10 is more appropriate) everything else in this post echoes how I feel. The Defenders was good but not great. I expected, I dunno, a lot more of a prestige TV feel to it like we got with the first 8 episodes of Luke Cage and the first two seasons of Daredevil rather than the more sloppy filmmaking of Iron Fist. It's just bizarre to me we aren't getting the best directors and cinematographers and fight choreographers possible to make The Defenders, of all things. The fights in Daredevil topped the fights in this (except for maybe the fight between Iron Fist and the other 3 all at once) and that's weird to me. Overall the show was a little boring, a little long, and didn't have enough emotional heft. I thought the main 4 shared great chemistry and there was good dialogue peppered throughout (as well as dialogue that often felt forced) but I simply expected a lot more out of this epic limited series event. Definitely was worth a watch but should have been better.
  9. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    Not exactly - I guess more you can guess every route the show may go, but some feel much more lame and obvious than others is all. Like, I can guess every permutation the show could go, but some are much more thematically and dramatically satisfying directions for the show to go in more than others. Danaerys being a great queen and marrying Jon and everyone lives happily ever after at the end is one way the show could go; another is that Danaerys and Jon are at odds, she goes full ruthless/mad queen, and the show deals with the fallout from that with the ending being much more harsh and stark. Now, are both routes now "predictable" because I've outlined both? Sure, I guess. But one route is much more interesting and less predictable when held up to traditional stories in this genre than the other, and I'd prefer the latter to the former is what I think people mean by "taking the predictable route".
  10. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    Sorry, I wasn't trying to come off as douche-y, that's my bad, I should have added the caveat and qualifier, I agree. Please address the posts, anyone here will tell you I love informed, calm, discussion, I was just making a note that you are passionate but often stubborn with your views so sometimes it can seem Herculean to get you to agree because you often focus only on what you disagree on, but this was a good post - let's continue (as you say, after the episode properly airs).
  11. I wouldn't say they are fooling anyone on a movie-to-movie basis, but CinemaSins and things like it have certainly on a broader level added to the culture of film criticism as we currently know it, which is the point Jordan Vogt-Roberts is making. He's mad now, but moreso due to the backlash of his initial tweets rather than because he was initially all that mad. I can understand wanting to speak and elaborate on the topic as a result.
  12. A Storm of Spoilers - Game of Thrones: Season 7

    The show (like the books) mentions that there are 19 castles along the wall, only 3 of which are currently manned - Castle Black, The Shadow Tower, and Eastwatch-by-the-Sea. I think it was in either season 2 or 3 where it's mentioned but it's definitely part of the show too.
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